From owner-cse575-fa07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Fri Aug 31 10:57:51 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l7VEvpuq014342 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front2.acsu.buffalo.edu (upfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.4.140]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id l7VEvhQO048883 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6678 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2007 14:57:42 -0000 Received: from mailscan1.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.133) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 31 Aug 2007 14:57:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 768 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2007 14:57:33 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 31 Aug 2007 14:57:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 21963 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2007 14:57:31 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 31 Aug 2007 14:57:31 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 1967233 for CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:57:31 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 10238 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2007 14:47:28 -0000 Received: from mailscan3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.135) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 31 Aug 2007 14:47:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 29042 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2007 14:47:27 -0000 X-Mailer: University at Buffalo WebMail Cyrusoft SilkyMail v1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 128.205.63.47 X-UB-Relay: (internal) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <1188571647.46d829ff2acb8@mail4.buffalo.edu> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:47:27 -0400 Reply-To: yjkang@BUFFALO.EDU Sender: Introduction to Cognitive Science From: "Youngjin 'Sung' Kang" Subject: From Youngjin 'Sung' Kang : "Home as a castele." To: CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1336; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.2/4110/Thu Aug 30 19:49:40 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 2960 "Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself." — Chinese Proverb "Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire" — William Butler Yeats - From The syllabus of Dr.William J. Rapaport for his cognitive science class in UB -------------------------------------- "English men regard his home as a castle" This is a saying of what I heard in my country in Korea. From this proverb, what most of Korean is reminded of is extremely discrete separation of personal space from others in western culture. A castle usually possess its walls and soldiers to protect itself from outsiders. Very strong sophistication of maintaining his or her space and keeping so-called 'private life' must have arose first in Europe, I believe A daily life in America sometimes gives me a subject on which I can put my anthropological and cultural curiosity and analysis. Yesterday, I saw one printed notice attached at my apartment wall, saying that inspectors will come to apartments soon and inspect the insides of our apartments. I am not sure whether the inspectors come from government, state, city or county, because I just glanced it quickly, but their aim seems for security reason. One thing very interesting comments on the notice was we don't have to stay and wait the inspectors, this mean they by themselves unlock the door and undergo their inspection (certainly with aid of renting staffs). But it strike me in that stranger cross the wall of 'my castle' and take a close investigation at every corner of it, whatever position he takes. If it happen in my country Korea, it will cause people some strong uneasiness in terms of their privacy right. What I am thinking and analysing is not to seek official and constitutional reason for it, there certainly are, but to seek more general relationship between abstract cultural and palpable and existing domain where it laid on. Some traits and tendency inclined toward cultural certain extreme made out of its dichotomy can be easily broken and take backward for opposite direction in certain domain of daily life. This existing domain certainly as well has an abstract factor we have search out and set up as a new factor. As a result, it can be collision of two factors. Good reference is that Geerts Hofstede analyses six factors, so simplified, which all cultures in this globe linearly positioned on it, depending on its degree, but it has been caused a lot of debates. What kind reason make American so easily surrender their right of privacy in this case? Is it rising insecurity of terrorism? or is it conscious attention for community safety?? American dislike any kind of official citizen registration card, we korean daily posses, because it cause uneasiness for American for secure right of freedom and autonomy, so-called "Nobody bothers my life". Now, It seems like something diffrent here. Youngjin 'Sung' Kang Cultural Anthropology From owner-cse575-fa07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mon Sep 3 18:58:49 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l83Mwm9U022843 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front1.acsu.buffalo.edu (coldfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.89]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id l83MwfvK091212 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23529 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 22:58:41 -0000 Received: from mailscan3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.135) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 22:58:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 980 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 22:58:40 -0000 Received: from defer.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.58) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 22:58:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 27511 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 22:58:37 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by defer.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 22:58:37 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 1984188 for CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:58:37 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 26969 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 22:58:37 -0000 Received: from mailscan1.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.133) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 22:58:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20860 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 22:58:36 -0000 Received: from cpe-69-204-120-235.buffalo.res.rr.com (HELO Enigma) (69.204.120.235) by smtp4.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 22:58:36 -0000 References: <1188571647.46d829ff2acb8@mail4.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfr30RUYo9NqV6sTZ+GrYJf+bdsEgCmBzdA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16480 X-UB-Relay: (cpe-69-204-120-235.buffalo.res.rr.com) X-PM-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <068E79B48E43435C859B8072F61BC373@Enigma> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:58:32 -0400 Reply-To: ss424@buffalo.edu Sender: Introduction to Cognitive Science From: Scott Settembre Organization: University at Buffalo Subject: Re: From Youngjin 'Sung' Kang : "Home as a castele." To: CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU In-Reply-To: <1188571647.46d829ff2acb8@mail4.buffalo.edu> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (cpe-69-204-120-235.buffalo.res.rr.com) X-PM-Spam-Prob: : 7% X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.2/4140/Mon Sep 3 13:59:33 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 5869 I would like to comment on a few points, Sung, brought up. There was a slight misconception in his reasoning that seemed to bring out a cultural perception that may be present in us all, and perhaps has a distinct biological reason for it to be present in our brains. First, "wall inspections" are present in all college dorms and in most rental agreements around the world. This is done by the owner of the building, not the government, so that any damage done to the wall can be legally attributed to the renter, and after the renter leaves, damages to the apartment/dorm can be fixed and taken out of the security deposit. It is interesting that being "inspected" brings out a "fear" (shyness) in us all. Something as innocuous as a wall inspection, which protects the renter in this case, is as standard as signing a rental agreement. Though Sung reasoned that we were relinquishing our privacy rights (from his personal perspective or his cultural perspective), American's might look at it more as protecting ourselves from potential unjust punishment or merely as standard operating procedure. >From a psychological perspective, the dislike of being "inspected" or being the center of attention brings out an embarrassment behavior in young children. This is genetically present in nearly all children and manifests itself at around 18 months of age. At this time, the child will exhibit clear signs of embarrassment, like the lowering of the head, hiding of the face, reddening of the cheeks. As we get older, this feeling can cause complex feelings and behaviors, from lashing out angrily, to running away, to perhaps at later stages of development, by accusing American's of relinquishing their privacy rights! :) (typed in good humor, not a biting criticism of Sung) Perhaps what we can see here is a feeling that is innate (dislike of being inspected or having personal space invaded), which then triggers our reasoning capabilities to explain why we should be feeling such a way (threat or no threat)? I can imagine that evolutionarily this reasoning would be advantageous to an organism, connecting the subconscious feelings to the conscious higher level reasoning in order to make a better decision using the available stimuli. On the level of social evolution, memes such as these probably preserve the cultural stability that a social group needs to remain stable and cohesive. By finding things that separate one group from another, even if they are misperceived, may help promote ones sense of belonging and in the long run preserve cultural stability. Scott Settembre Computer Science -----Original Message----- From: Introduction to Cognitive Science [mailto:CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Youngjin 'Sung' Kang Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 10:47 AM To: CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: From Youngjin 'Sung' Kang : "Home as a castele." "Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself." - Chinese Proverb "Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire" - William Butler Yeats - From The syllabus of Dr.William J. Rapaport for his cognitive science class in UB -------------------------------------- "English men regard his home as a castle" This is a saying of what I heard in my country in Korea. From this proverb, what most of Korean is reminded of is extremely discrete separation of personal space from others in western culture. A castle usually possess its walls and soldiers to protect itself from outsiders. Very strong sophistication of maintaining his or her space and keeping so-called 'private life' must have arose first in Europe, I believe A daily life in America sometimes gives me a subject on which I can put my anthropological and cultural curiosity and analysis. Yesterday, I saw one printed notice attached at my apartment wall, saying that inspectors will come to apartments soon and inspect the insides of our apartments. I am not sure whether the inspectors come from government, state, city or county, because I just glanced it quickly, but their aim seems for security reason. One thing very interesting comments on the notice was we don't have to stay and wait the inspectors, this mean they by themselves unlock the door and undergo their inspection (certainly with aid of renting staffs). But it strike me in that stranger cross the wall of 'my castle' and take a close investigation at every corner of it, whatever position he takes. If it happen in my country Korea, it will cause people some strong uneasiness in terms of their privacy right. What I am thinking and analysing is not to seek official and constitutional reason for it, there certainly are, but to seek more general relationship between abstract cultural and palpable and existing domain where it laid on. Some traits and tendency inclined toward cultural certain extreme made out of its dichotomy can be easily broken and take backward for opposite direction in certain domain of daily life. This existing domain certainly as well has an abstract factor we have search out and set up as a new factor. As a result, it can be collision of two factors. Good reference is that Geerts Hofstede analyses six factors, so simplified, which all cultures in this globe linearly positioned on it, depending on its degree, but it has been caused a lot of debates. What kind reason make American so easily surrender their right of privacy in this case? Is it rising insecurity of terrorism? or is it conscious attention for community safety?? American dislike any kind of official citizen registration card, we korean daily posses, because it cause uneasiness for American for secure right of freedom and autonomy, so-called "Nobody bothers my life". Now, It seems like something diffrent here. Youngjin 'Sung' Kang Cultural Anthropology From owner-cse575-fa07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mon Sep 3 19:42:25 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l83NgPs9023805 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (warmfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.88]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id l83NgF7a093060 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28657 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 23:42:15 -0000 Received: from mailscan8.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.55) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 23:42:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 21697 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 23:42:14 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 23:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 2708 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 23:42:13 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 23:42:13 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 1984680 for CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:42:13 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 17702 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 23:42:13 -0000 Received: from mailscan7.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.158) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 23:42:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 16362 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2007 23:42:12 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.14) by smtp2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 23:42:12 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l83NgCpU023801 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l83NgCc8023800 for CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:42:12 -0400 (EDT) X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <200709032342.l83NgCc8023800@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:42:12 -0400 Reply-To: "William J. Rapaport" Sender: Introduction to Cognitive Science From: "William J. Rapaport" Subject: Re: From Youngjin 'Sung' Kang : "Home as a castele." To: CSE575-FA07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.2/4140/Mon Sep 3 13:59:33 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 1127 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: From Youngjin 'Sung' Kang : "Home as a castele." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have to admit that I don't quite see the full relevance of Sung's comments about legal privacy to cognitive science, but there is certainly an issue concerning privacy that I should bring up: Is your mind private? That has always seemed to be one of the hallmarks of the mental: namely, that your mind and its contents are private to you. Only you know what you're thinking (though some might claim that even you don't know for sure), only you can feel your pain, etc. By contrast, a hallmark of the physical (or "body", or "brain") is that it is public/publically observable. When my son was 6, he had hurt is toe, and told me, "I know some things that you don't. Like things about me. 'Cause you're not me. I know what my toe feels like." (And he wasn't even taking Intro to Cog Sci :-) For a humorous commentary on the privacy of pain, see: http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/575/F01/dilbert.pain.gif