From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sun Apr 1 22:15:21 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l322FLbG024587 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (coldfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.89]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l322FIbg000130 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10160 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2007 02:15:17 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 2 Apr 2007 02:15:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 10139 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2007 02:15:17 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 2 Apr 2007 02:15:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 8271 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2007 02:15:02 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 2 Apr 2007 02:15:02 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4285517 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:15:01 -0400 Delivered-To: cse727-sp07-list@listserv.buffalo.edu Received: (qmail 2525 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2007 02:15:01 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 2 Apr 2007 02:15:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8326 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2007 02:15:01 -0000 X-Mailer: University at Buffalo WebMail Cyrusoft SilkyMail v1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.67.170.95 X-UB-Relay: (internal) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <1175480101.461067251f236@mail1.buffalo.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:15:01 -0400 Reply-To: jcwhite2@BUFFALO.EDU Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: John C White Subject: CSE727: Berwick 89 thoughts To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1336; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2992/Sun Apr 1 19:20:09 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 552 Although a bit lengthy and dry I did find it somewhat interesting, particularly since I am working with a verb for the CVA project myself and they described methods for learning them. I found the examples a tad confusing because of the naming conventions though, and I wonder why they chose to define them as words followed by negative numbers rather than something more observer friendly. After seeing how elaborately defined the methodology was in this article I am also a bit curious how their system has developed since if at all. -John White From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sun Apr 8 23:09:13 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3939DG0000160 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (warmfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.88]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3939AoH011291 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10853 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 03:09:10 -0000 Received: from mailscan5.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.137) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 03:09:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 28004 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 03:09:10 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 03:09:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 23247 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 03:08:58 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 03:08:58 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4467463 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:08:57 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@listserv.buffalo.edu Received: (qmail 20322 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 02:58:56 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 02:58:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 21951 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 02:58:55 -0000 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (64.233.184.228) by smtp4.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 02:58:55 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 37so836653wra for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.171.1 with SMTP id t1mr731939wae.1176087534644; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.73.2 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:58:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: c5285c78056b44bb X-UB-Relay: (wr-out-0506.google.com) X-PM-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <4e4445330704081958h1ed58a6am6aa2d49fee37073c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:58:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Paul M. Heider" Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "Paul M. Heider" Subject: CSE727: berwick 1989 "Learning word meanings from examples" To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (wr-out-0506.google.com) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3050/Sun Apr 8 19:47:56 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 1360 Preface: I ran across a curiosity in their description of the information retrieval system on page xvii. Step 1. of the retrieval includes expanding the input "Earning reports for New England Utilities Companies" to include some subclass and superclass information about all the nouns. I had imagined this information would be in the meta-description of the database. Or, would it be best to annotate the database and modify the query so they meet halfway? Berwick: I don't know the time-frame of events, but Berwick's study sure could benefit from FrameNet. I imagine that he had a large hand in inspiring the work that led up to it. Surprisingly, "berwick framenet" only gets some 115 hits on Google. In general, I thought his graph-matching idea would work quite well for machine translation attempts. One could seed the system with parallel translations and then allow it to grow from that knowledge base. I was also interested in the experiment mentioned on pg. 96-7 about early childhood conceptions of causality. Did the children immediately jump to the end of the chain of dominoes? Was there a gradual progression from no concept, to following the entire path of events in your mind's eye, and then a jump from the catalyst to the result? Oops, looks like I already gave away what I think is the most likely development pattern. ~Paul From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Tue Apr 10 23:29:15 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3B3TFcH009052 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (warmfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.88]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3B3TCDn024228 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4180 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 03:29:12 -0000 Received: from mailscan3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.135) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 03:29:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 17481 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 03:29:11 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 03:29:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 23102 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 03:28:57 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 03:28:57 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4536479 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:28:56 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 25745 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 03:28:24 -0000 Received: from mailscan5.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.137) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 03:28:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1068 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 03:28:23 -0000 Received: from email4.acsu.buffalo.edu (HELO email5.acsu.buffalo.edu) (128.205.7.94) by smtp3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 03:28:23 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Origin: 72.88.113.50 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.61 - 72.88.113.50 - petrova3@buffalo.edu X-UB-Relay: (email4.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <1978.1176262103@buffalo.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:28:23 -0400 Reply-To: petrova3@buffalo.edu Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: Nyurguyana Petrova Subject: Berwick C.Robert (1989) "Learning Word Meanings from Examples": To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (email4.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3064/Tue Apr 10 12:25:23 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU id l3B3TFcH009052 Status: R Content-Length: 1242 Berwick C.Robert (1989) "Learning Word Meanings from Examples": When discussing thematic role structure and meaning the author puts a column (p. 99) as an example of verbs that are differentiated according to how many and kind of arguments they take: whether an argument has to be agent-only, patient-only or both. In the field of linguistics this topic has been discussed for a while. It was accepted to classify the verbs like "fall" to take patient-only argument. However, I don't understand why the author puts "cough" as taking agent-only argument, and "break" as patient-only taking argument. It seems to me that "cough" can be of binary interpretation: I sort of see the reasoning behind of why the author puts the verb "cough" taking agent-only verb. There are situations when a person coughs volitionally, maybe trying to get some attention. However, there are also cases when a person coughs involuntarily, maybe due to illness. The same problem is with the verb "break". On one hand, something can get broken, in which case verb will take patient argument, but, on the other hand, someone can be an agent involved in the event of breaking, i.e. volitional action, in which case the verb "break" will take agent argument. -Yana From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Wed Apr 11 11:52:09 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3BFq9xY023004 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front1.acsu.buffalo.edu (coldfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.89]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3BFpvUx071978 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4579 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 15:51:57 -0000 Received: from mailscan8.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.55) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 15:51:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 3027 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 15:51:57 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 15:51:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 15226 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 15:51:50 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 15:51:50 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4550773 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:51:50 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 11507 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 15:51:50 -0000 Received: from mailscan8.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.55) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 15:51:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 23655 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 15:51:49 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.14) by smtp1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 15:51:49 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3BFpnek022988 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l3BFpn9T022987 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:51:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <200704111551.l3BFpn9T022987@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:51:49 -0400 Reply-To: "William J. Rapaport" Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "William J. Rapaport" Subject: Re: Berwick C.Robert (1989) "Learning Word Meanings from Examples": To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3068/Wed Apr 11 09:12:33 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 720 | Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:28:23 -0400 | From: Nyurguyana Petrova | Subject: Berwick C.Robert (1989) "Learning Word Meanings from Examples": | To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU | | However, I don't understand why the author puts "cough" as taking agent-only | argument, and "break" as patient-only taking argument. I think it's because you can say: John coughs but you can't say John coughs X (i.e., it's not a transitive verb). (You can say "John coughs up blood", but "cough up" is not the same as "cough".) And you can say: John breaks a window but you can't say John breaks. You can say: The window breaks. But there, "the window" is patient, not agent. From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Thu Apr 12 15:51:09 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3CJp9rc008272 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (warmfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.88]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3CJp6jh095308 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19866 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2007 19:51:06 -0000 Received: from mailscan7.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.158) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Apr 2007 19:51:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 19849 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2007 19:51:06 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Apr 2007 19:51:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 12812 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2007 19:51:05 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Apr 2007 19:51:05 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4667080 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:51:05 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 26865 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2007 19:51:05 -0000 Received: from mailscan1.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.133) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Apr 2007 19:51:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 11590 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2007 19:51:04 -0000 Received: from email4.acsu.buffalo.edu (HELO email5.acsu.buffalo.edu) (128.205.7.94) by smtp5.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Apr 2007 19:51:04 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Origin: 128.205.207.243 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.61 - 128.205.207.243 - petrova3@buffalo.edu X-UB-Relay: (email4.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <2133.1176407464@buffalo.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:51:04 -0400 Reply-To: petrova3@buffalo.edu Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: Nyurguyana Petrova Subject: Re: Berwick C.Robert (1989) Comments: To: "William J. Rapaport" To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (email4.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3084/Thu Apr 12 13:32:13 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU id l3CJp9rc008272 Status: R Content-Length: 1400 Transitivity is the other thing that I think got underepresented in this column. As you, Prof. Rapaport, mentioned the verb "break" should be under the category of the verbs that take 2 arguments, because usually the verb "break" requires an Agent-breaker and a patient-broken thing. But suppose the author decided to include only intransitive verb "break", then it makes sense that it takes a patient-only argument, however, I still think that the verb "cough" can take either an agent argument or a patient argument for the reasons that I stated earlier. -Yana On Wed Apr 11 11:51 , "William J. Rapaport" sent: >| Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:28:23 -0400 >| From: Nyurguyana Petrova petrova3@buffalo.edu> >| Subject: Berwick C.Robert (1989) "Learning Word Meanings from Examples": >| To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >| >| However, I don't understand why the author puts "cough" as taking agent-only >| argument, and "break" as patient-only taking argument. > >I think it's because you can say: > > John coughs > >but you can't say > > John coughs X > >(i.e., it's not a transitive verb). (You can say "John coughs up >blood", but "cough up" is not the same as "cough".) > >And you can say: > > John breaks a window > >but you can't say > > John breaks. > >You can say: > > The window breaks. > >But there, "the window" is patient, not agent. > > From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sun Apr 29 19:58:56 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3TNwutE014576 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (upfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.4.140]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3TNwqEG030823 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27887 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2007 23:58:52 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 29 Apr 2007 23:58:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 27867 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2007 23:58:52 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 29 Apr 2007 23:58:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 29403 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2007 23:58:39 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 29 Apr 2007 23:58:39 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 5142647 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:58:39 -0400 Delivered-To: cse727-sp07-list@listserv.buffalo.edu Received: (qmail 28691 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2007 23:58:39 -0000 Received: from mailscan3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.135) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 29 Apr 2007 23:58:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8242 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2007 23:58:38 -0000 Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (68.168.78.205) by smtp4.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 29 Apr 2007 23:58:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [98.1.118.198]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20070429235837.CARP16517.mta11.adelphia.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:58:37 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UB-Relay: (mta11.adelphia.net) X-PM-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <4635315F.1060402@cse.buffalo.edu> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:59:27 -0400 Reply-To: Jeffrey Howell Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: Jeffrey Howell Subject: CSE 727 - Berwick (1989) To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (mta11.adelphia.net) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3179/Sun Apr 29 06:28:45 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 1429 One thing that struck me in examining the methods described here was the fact that every time a verb was used, it was counted as a separate entity - so instead of having many different uses of 'persuade', we instead have 'persuade-1', 'persuade-2', etc... which are all considered separately when matching an unknown verb. To begin with, this seemed a bit odd to me... surely every instance of the verb is still the *same* verb? But after thinking about it a bit more, I'm not so sure. Certainly every use of a particular verb can have somewhat different meaning when considering the particular subject and object involved... and there are absolutely cases in which a particular English verb has a vastly different meaning in different contexts - 'I see' can mean both 'I understand' or 'I use my sense of vision'. Perhaps treating a particular use of a verb as an instantiation of a verb class, much as we do with particular instances of a noun, would be more appropriate? These are more or less just idle thoughts, since I've had essentially no experience representing verbs for Cassie at all, beyond what I've picked up in observing the status reports the rest of the class have been doing. One additional comment on this reading - the sheer number of times the words 'kill', 'murder', and 'assassinate' appear is astounding. I suppose that's what happens when you use Shakespeare as your source... From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sun Apr 29 21:00:19 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3U10IVx015779 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front2.acsu.buffalo.edu (upfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.4.140]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3U10FpE038295 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5442 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 01:00:15 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 01:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 15970 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 01:00:15 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 01:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 379 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 01:00:06 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 01:00:06 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 5143023 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:00:06 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 24022 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 01:00:06 -0000 Received: from mailscan1.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.133) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 01:00:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 13384 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 01:00:05 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.14) by smtp5.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 01:00:05 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3U1051r015767 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l3U105jC015766 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:00:05 -0400 (EDT) X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <200704300100.l3U105jC015766@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:00:05 -0400 Reply-To: "William J. Rapaport" Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "William J. Rapaport" Subject: Re: CSE 727 - Berwick (1989) To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1336; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3179/Sun Apr 29 06:28:45 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 1322 Jeff wrote: | | Certainly every use of a particular verb can have somewhat different | meaning when considering the particular subject and object involved... More importantly, if meaning is a function of context, as CVA assumes, then the meaning of every word is (slightly) different in every context in which it appears! For more on this "problem", see: Rapaport, William J. (2002), "Holism, Conceptual-Role Semantics, and Syntactic Semantics", Minds and Machines 12(1): 3-59. http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/Papers/crs.pdf | One additional comment on this reading - the sheer number of times the | words 'kill', 'murder', and 'assassinate' appear is astounding. I | suppose that's what happens when you use Shakespeare as your source... Some years ago, I taught a course in which I used an example from a philosophy paper concerning a man who shoots a woman and kills her, but she doesn't die till the next day. (The philosophical question concerned *when* she was killed.) I had given several lectures based on this paper, but was taken aback when a woman in the course pointed out how unnecessarily sexist and violent the example was. I've been very conscious of that ever since. But you're quite right that using Shakespeare might make this hard to avoid. Then again, he is a Dead White Male :-) From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Wed May 9 21:15:02 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l4A1F2AP001478 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front1.acsu.buffalo.edu (upfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.4.140]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l4A1ExKZ039236 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12472 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 01:14:59 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 10 May 2007 01:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 12461 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 01:14:59 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 10 May 2007 01:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 14697 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 01:14:58 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 10 May 2007 01:14:58 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 5383834 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:14:57 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 7130 invoked from network); 10 May 2007 01:14:57 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 10 May 2007 01:14:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 21156 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2007 01:14:57 -0000 X-Mailer: University at Buffalo WebMail Cyrusoft SilkyMail v1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 128.205.208.233 X-UB-Relay: (internal) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <1178759697.46427211156fe@mail3.buffalo.edu> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:14:57 -0400 Reply-To: ask8@BUFFALO.EDU Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: Ashish Kulkarni Subject: Berwick, Robert C. (1989), "Learning Word Meanings from Examples" To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3224/Wed May 9 11:25:29 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: NotJunk $NotJunk X-UID: 15099 Content-Length: 1343 A very detailed and interesting way of a verb algorithm is explained in the paper. The question that comes into my mind is how will the program run when a verb is used differently in a context. For example, “to kill a joke” does not mean taking life away from something, but according to the program it will store that the joke is dead. If not, since joke is an inanimate object it might cause an error or create a new meaning for the word kill. So the point is that many times in a language we can use words which are totally out of place but due to the similarity of their meaning would still be right. How would a program handle that? Making it understand the meaning of a plain sentence would be a possible task, but what should be done when metaphor or satire are used? Secondly, if the input is grammatically wrong, then would the program have problems? When some non-English speaker says, “Me no English!” Most humans understand that the person is saying that he or she does not know English. So, the human mind does not need all the words to understand the meaning of the sentence. Does the computer need to know all the words to decipher the meaning too? I feel that a program can be fairly accurate in guessing the meaning just by looking at the key words like noun and verbs and conjunctions which give the meaning to the sentence.