From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mon Feb 12 10:34:43 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l1CFYhnp012767 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from front1.acsu.buffalo.edu (warmfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.88]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1CFYaCd099248 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22350 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2007 15:34:36 -0000 Received: from mailscan1.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.133) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Feb 2007 15:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 22311 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2007 15:34:35 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Feb 2007 15:34:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 10683 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2007 15:34:23 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Feb 2007 15:34:23 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 3259082 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:34:23 -0500 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 26832 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2007 15:34:23 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 12 Feb 2007 15:34:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 5638 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2007 15:34:22 -0000 X-Mailer: University at Buffalo WebMail Cyrusoft SilkyMail v1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 128.205.153.16 X-UB-Relay: (internal) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <1171294462.45d088fe823f4@mail3.buffalo.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:34:22 -0500 Reply-To: ask8@BUFFALO.EDU Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: Ashish Kulkarni Subject: CSE 727 - "How Many Words Are There in Printed School English?" Nagy, William E. To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2558/Mon Feb 12 07:54:21 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 1409 The reading gives an outlook of how knowledge of words is acquired by an individual; most words are acquired by a root word, which makes learning of words easier since the meaning of the word is related to its root word. I noticed that learning of words was not compared with physical objects, ideas, or thoughts in any way. I think mind links a word with concepts and objects along with the root of the word. For example as a child my parents showed me a plastic bottle of water, and told me that the container is called a “Bottle”. Then I would store the word in my mind linking it with that object. Suppose few days later someone told me, “I want you to ‘embottle’ the water in jug so that we don’t run out of water during the short journey to the museum.” If I would be able to figure out the meaning by context or by asking what the word embottle means in this context, I would be told it is ‘putting water in the bottle’. In this case, I am not just linking the word with the root ‘bottle’ but I am also relating it with the image of container I conceive as bottle. I assume that sometimes the mind links words with the object/concept more than the root. For example, when I use the words angrily, anger, angriness, angered, angry, I link them more with the feeling of anger than with the root. So when children learn new words, it is because they have associated it with an idea or concept or object. From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Tue Feb 13 11:18:36 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l1DGIalG009936 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (upfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.4.140]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1DGIQCY012221 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12645 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 16:18:26 -0000 Received: from mailscan3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.135) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 16:18:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 12625 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 16:18:26 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 16:18:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 25233 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 16:18:23 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 16:18:23 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 3296410 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:18:23 -0500 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 10863 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 16:18:23 -0000 Received: from mailscan3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.135) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 16:18:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 16812 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2007 16:18:23 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.14) by smtp2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 16:18:23 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l1DGIMU1009907 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l1DGIMSk009906 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:18:22 -0500 (EST) X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <200702131618.l1DGIMSk009906@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:18:22 -0500 Reply-To: "William J. Rapaport" Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "William J. Rapaport" Subject: Nagy & Anderson 1984 To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2562/Tue Feb 13 10:18:56 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 1585 Ashish writes: | Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:34:22 -0500 | From: Ashish Kulkarni | Subject: CSE 727 - "How Many Words Are There in Printed School English?" Nagy, William E. | To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU | | The reading gives an outlook of how knowledge of words is acquired by an | individual; most words are acquired by a root word, which makes learning | of words easier since the meaning of the word is related to its root | word. I'm not sure that they claim that people learn words this way; they're more concerned with counting the number of words someone knows, and combining words with other words that are closely related (bottle, embottle, etc.) gives you a *smaller* number of words to deal with. Part of their point is that even with that "smaller" number, there are still a HUGE amount of words that an 18-year-old knows. | I noticed that learning of words was not compared with physical | objects, ideas, or thoughts in any way. I think mind links a word with | concepts and objects along with the root of the word. My favorite personal story along these lines is this: "When I was very young, I heard what I took to be a single word that my parents always used when paraphrasing something; here, I'll spell it `inotherwords', but at the time I had no idea how to spell it. It took me several hearings before I understood that this was really the three-word phrase `in+other+words'." -- Rapaport, William J. (in press), "How Helen Keller Used Syntactic Semantics to Escape from a Chinese Room", Minds and Machines. From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sun Mar 18 17:58:03 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l2ILw3Ju001404 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (coldfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.89]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2ILvxJ2020306 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24974 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2007 21:57:59 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Mar 2007 21:57:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 19673 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2007 21:57:59 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Mar 2007 21:57:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 16922 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2007 21:57:55 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Mar 2007 21:57:55 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 3908267 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:57:55 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@listserv.buffalo.edu Received: (qmail 13162 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2007 21:47:55 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Mar 2007 21:47:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 29122 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2007 21:47:54 -0000 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (66.249.92.175) by smtp2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Mar 2007 21:47:54 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so1323595uge for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.194.13 with SMTP id w13mr6087945qbp.1174254472259; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.235.15 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:47:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 48f456159e9333f4 X-UB-Relay: (ug-out-1314.google.com) X-PM-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <4e4445330703181447o3ea421f4ob6f92c4eb9e23a6f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:47:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Paul M. Heider" Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "Paul M. Heider" Subject: CSE727: nagy anderson 1984 To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (ug-out-1314.google.com) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2866/Sun Mar 18 17:32:16 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 1571 I was shocked and dismayed to find that Nagy and Anderson plagarized their line about Dr. Seuss from the seminar paper I wrote last semester. Their comment on page 321 stopped just short of my own conclusions. My guess is that Dr. Seuss gets away with his "utterly novel words" through repition. Each coined word is guaranteed to occur several times in the text. I'm curious which Dr. Seuss books would cause CASSIE the most trouble and how much we could control for the pictures. In linguistics, there is a picture-book used by field workers across the globe (and thus across language) families. The consultant will "read" through the children's book (it being all pictures) and then retell the story. I imagine one could use the same sort of protocols we used for our passages on our readers to get a description of/encoding for the picture. On the prior page (320), the authors mention how unevenly their classes of words are distributed across the frequencies (e.g., roots are weighted towards the frequent side while semantically transparent derived words tend toward the infrequent). This looks like it could have a big effect on L2 vocabulary choices. Books, dictionaries, and programs tend to advertise how many of the N-most frequent words they cover. Given what Nagy and Anderson say, we would actually want a small sample from a large set of words rather than a sample of N-1 most frequent words. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=qbN&q=%22Frog%2C+Where+are+you%3F%22&btnG=Search From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Tue Mar 20 22:00:26 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l2L20QiJ016393 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front2.acsu.buffalo.edu (warmfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.88]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2L20Mas092844 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9926 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2007 02:00:22 -0000 Received: from mailscan3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.135) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 21 Mar 2007 02:00:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 9919 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2007 02:00:22 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 21 Mar 2007 02:00:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 8109 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2007 02:00:13 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 21 Mar 2007 02:00:13 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 3977451 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:00:13 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 411 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2007 02:00:13 -0000 Received: from mailscan8.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.55) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 21 Mar 2007 02:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 1259 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2007 02:00:12 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.14) by smtp3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 21 Mar 2007 02:00:12 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l2L20C1E016384 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l2L20CEG016383 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:00:12 -0400 (EDT) X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <200703210200.l2L20CEG016383@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:00:12 -0400 Reply-To: "William J. Rapaport" Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "William J. Rapaport" Subject: Re: CSE727: nagy anderson 1984 To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1336; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2884/Tue Mar 20 20:59:48 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Paul wrote: | Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:47:52 -0400 | From: "Paul M. Heider" | | ...My guess is that Dr. Seuss gets away with his "utterly | novel words" through repition. Each coined word is guaranteed to | occur several times in the text. I assume you meant "repetition" ;-) But: N&A point out that sometimes such words occur only once! From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mon Mar 26 09:46:15 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l2QDkFpD005656 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (coldfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.89]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2QDk8WI011394 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18834 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 13:39:27 -0000 Received: from mailscan1.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.133) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 13:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 7114 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 13:39:27 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 13:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 10721 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 13:39:12 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4096777 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:39:12 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 4878 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from mailscan8.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.55) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 13:39:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 11048 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2007 13:39:11 -0000 X-Mailer: University at Buffalo WebMail Cyrusoft SilkyMail v1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 128.205.150.169 X-UB-Relay: (internal) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <1174916351.4607ccffbe830@mail4.buffalo.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:39:11 -0400 Reply-To: petrova3@BUFFALO.EDU Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: Nyurguyana Petrova Subject: Nagy, William & Anderson, Richard (1984) To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2931/Mon Mar 26 04:43:40 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 1063 Nagy, William & Anderson, Richard (1984)"How many words are there in printed school English?": It looks like some of the words that fall under SEM1 actually belong to the group SEM0, because I cannot see much difference at the level of difficulty to guess between the words, for instance, redness occurring under SEM0 and the words like misrepresent - represent and enthusiast - enthusiasm in SEM1. I think the last two pairs are the words, meaning of which one can easily get from the immediate ancestor even without any help from context. For example, with misrepresent-represent, if a child knows a word represent and he/she is familiar with the negation-prefix 'mis-' (here I assume that if a child is in the level of knowing the suffix -ness then he/she should also presumably know the prefix mis-)then it should be pretty straight forward for this person to figure out a meaning of a word. Also, I am curious to know whose actually attempt was to try putting different entries for each and every form of a word (a lemma of a word) into a dictionary? From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mon Mar 26 13:41:49 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l2QHfnD5019477 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (coldfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.89]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2QHfhOD032062 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19354 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 17:41:43 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 17:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 19280 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 17:41:43 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 17:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 14567 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 17:41:35 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 17:41:35 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4110618 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:41:35 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 14280 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 17:41:34 -0000 Received: from mailscan7.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.158) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 17:41:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 20606 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 17:41:32 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.14) by smtp1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 17:41:32 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l2QHfWKR019446 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l2QHfWIg019445 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:41:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <200703261741.l2QHfWIg019445@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:41:32 -0400 Reply-To: "William J. Rapaport" Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "William J. Rapaport" Subject: Re: Nagy, William & Anderson, Richard (1984) To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2932/Mon Mar 26 11:03:48 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 543 Yana wrote: | | It looks like some of the words that fall under SEM1 actually belong to | the group SEM0, This could be; but there are probably equal numbers of words that would switch categories, so that I doubt it would affect the final numbers. | Also, I am curious to know whose actually attempt was to try putting | different entries for each and every form of a word (a lemma of a word) | into a dictionary? You could ask Prof. Kibby; he knows the history of this much better than I do. You can email him at: mwkibby@buffalo.edu From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sat Apr 14 14:48:13 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3EImDP7001225 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (warmfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.88]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3EImALZ089334 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16923 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 18:48:10 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 18:48:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 16899 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 18:48:10 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 18:48:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 7607 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 18:48:01 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 18:48:01 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4719884 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:48:01 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 21604 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 18:48:01 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 18:48:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 16273 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 18:48:00 -0000 Received: from 67-20-233-65.kntnny.adelphia.net (HELO pavano) (67.20.233.65) by smtp1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 18:48:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-UB-Relay: (67-20-233-65.kntnny.adelphia.net) X-PM-Spam-Prob: XX: 22% Message-ID: <000901c77ec5$6c898f40$41e91443@pavano> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:47:58 -0400 Reply-To: "J. A." Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "J. A." Subject: CSE 727: Comments on Nagy and Anderson 1984 To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (67-20-233-65.kntnny.adelphia.net) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_40 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3091/Sat Apr 14 12:53:57 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 1417 As part of future research, Nagy and Anderson wondered to what extent morphology was used in vocabulary acquisition. Another topic I was curious about was how these morphological rules might be applied in a foreign language. A recent paper (Shu et al., 1995) actually addressed both of these issues. A cross-cultural study was conducted in which Chinese and US students were tested for comprehension of new words after reading the same stories (cross-translated). It turned out that while Chinese students used morphological information and context information together to learn new words, US students do not. This result was attributed to the fact that morphologically complex words in English are "typically transparently related to the meanings of their parts." (Mori & Nagy: 85) Consequently, not a lot of help is needed from the context to learn the word if the meanings of the stems, prefixes and suffixes are known. In Chinese however, such words are never semantically transparent since combinations of characters are often used in metaphorical or figurative ways. An example of this (albeit in Japanese) is the combination of the characters "moon" and "to eat" to create the word for "lunar eclipse." When dealing with cases like these, context information always plays a role since the entire meaning of the word typically cannot be derived from morphological information alone. - Joe From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mon Apr 16 19:50:40 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3GNodQ7007181 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3.acsu.buffalo.edu (warmfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.88]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3GNo6qJ080088 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6232 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 23:50:06 -0000 Received: from mailscan8.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.55) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 23:50:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 6211 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 23:50:06 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 23:50:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 22883 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 23:49:54 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 23:49:54 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4756621 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:49:54 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 163 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 23:49:52 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 23:49:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 15400 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 23:49:51 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.14) by smtp3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 23:49:51 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3GNnoAY007131 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l3GNnoMK007130 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:49:50 -0400 (EDT) X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <200704162349.l3GNnoMK007130@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:49:50 -0400 Reply-To: "William J. Rapaport" Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "William J. Rapaport" Subject: Re: CSE 727: Comments on Nagy and Anderson 1984 To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3103/Mon Apr 16 16:42:27 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 1820 Joe wrote: | ... A recent paper (Shu et al., 1995) actually addressed both of these | issues. Do you have the full citation? | ... It turned out that while Chinese students used | morphological information and context information together to learn new | words, US students do not. This result was attributed to the fact that | morphologically complex words in English are "typically transparently | related to the meanings of their parts." (Mori & Nagy: 85) Consequently, not | a lot of help is needed from the context to learn the word if the meanings | of the stems, prefixes and suffixes are known. | | In Chinese however, such words are never semantically transparent... | ... When | dealing with cases like these, context information always plays a role since | the entire meaning of the word typically cannot be derived from | morphological information alone. On the other hand, there are times when the morphologically-related meaning in English is simply wrong or misleading. Sternberg calls this "internal" context. As Sternberg notes (in one of his papers, I don't recall which), internal context can't be used in isolation from external context. Consider "inflammable", which on the face of it, ought to mean "not flammable", since it (apparently) has the negative prefix "in-". However, it is really synonymous with "flammable", which might be determined from (external) context. This sort of information should, I think, really be considered part of "background knowledge". After all, it would be background knowledge, not textual context (usually), in which such information as that "in-" is a negative prefix would be stored and be available for use by our algorithms. What might be an interesting project for the future is to have students learn the meanings of affixes from context! From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Fri Apr 20 22:22:06 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3L2M6Ds010481 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front2.acsu.buffalo.edu (upfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.4.140]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3L2M3Yl024748 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17214 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2007 02:22:03 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 21 Apr 2007 02:22:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 17191 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2007 02:22:03 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 21 Apr 2007 02:22:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 26589 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2007 02:21:57 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 21 Apr 2007 02:21:57 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4897303 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:21:57 -0400 Delivered-To: cse727-sp07-list@listserv.buffalo.edu Received: (qmail 21649 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2007 02:21:57 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 21 Apr 2007 02:21:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 20229 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2007 02:21:56 -0000 X-Mailer: University at Buffalo WebMail Cyrusoft SilkyMail v1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.67.170.95 X-UB-Relay: (internal) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <1177122116.4629754490cf0@mail1.buffalo.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:21:56 -0400 Reply-To: jcwhite2@BUFFALO.EDU Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: John C White Subject: CSE727: Slight mix up on my recent reading post... To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3141/Fri Apr 20 16:23:13 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Content-Length: 3268 I just wanted to point out that the post I did last night was suppose to be on The Acquisition of Word Meanings as a Cognitive learning process by Daalen-Kapteijns and M. M. Van. I made a slight mix up between the names of my last two readings I was intending to post on. I am also curious as to what my reading status will be after this post, as I am unsure if I have missed anything or repeated any articles. As for Nagy Anderson, my response to that article is as follows: Well, I will first say that I am a bit dubious about them throwing out numbers based on a book when the authors realized from the start that there was much more to word exposure than any one book could show. I am not familiar with this book offhand so I can not really say whether I think it is a good basis for an estimate. What I would have liked was to see some experimentation and sample data acquired from various different educational facilities across the US. Still, I liked the criteria they followed for determining what would count as a distinct word for the most part. Applying it to a larger word based that represented the target compilation of words would definitely yield useful results in my opinion. As for their comments on the aspects of CVA, I was surprised at the emphasis they gave to motivation, pleasantly so, as it does seem to be quite overlooked. Part of the reason why repetition based results have such trouble accounting for the large number of words learned is because short term repetition is traditionally an inefficient method for a human to learn. One can read without truly comprehending and thinking about what they are reading, so unless some method of mental stimulation is introduced, teaching vocabulary in such a method will always have a rather minimal impact. Lastly, I found it very interesting that they included the importance of free reading near the end. Initially, I was having doubts about the authors understanding of where our vocabularies developed from because I felt they were focusing too much on academic and not enough on recreational exposure. The fact that they see that the major disparity has a lot to do with varying interests in reading as a recreational activity has changed my mind about this. Contrary to what they conclude, I find that the process nor the words should be emphasized as much as a general encouraging students to partake of free reading activities. When you read because you want to read, you actually take in some of the material you are reading more readily rather than just skim over it. In this way, teaching a student to want to read more may be a daunting but extremely profitable (in terms of vocabulary expansion) prospect. As for computer CVA, word families should be a primary focus in the development of semantic networks, as shared meanings and relatively similar words of the same family would be much easier to add by tacking them on to existing knowledge with minor modifications. -John White P.S.: Sorry about the length, but I found myself reading a very large amount of what I was thinking before I actually read the later portions of the article, and felt that many of their findings were more insightful and well thought out than I had initially assumed. From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mon Apr 23 21:00:07 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3O107Qw011759 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front1.acsu.buffalo.edu (coldfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.89]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3O0xxPh046217 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5720 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 00:59:59 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 00:59:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 26272 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 00:59:59 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 00:59:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 19018 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 00:59:42 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 00:59:42 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4970196 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:59:42 -0400 Delivered-To: cse727-sp07-list@listserv.buffalo.edu Received: (qmail 25626 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 00:56:42 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 00:56:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 1335 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 00:56:41 -0000 Received: from mta15.mail.adelphia.net (HELO mta15.adelphia.net) (68.168.78.77) by smtp5.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 00:56:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [68.168.86.62]) by mta15.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20070424005641.NRGA6560.mta15.adelphia.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:56:41 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UB-Relay: (mta15.mail.adelphia.net) X-PM-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <462D55F4.3070004@cse.buffalo.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:57:24 -0400 Reply-To: Jeffrey Howell Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: Jeffrey Howell Subject: CSE 727: Nagy & Anderson (1984) To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (mta15.mail.adelphia.net) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1336; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3152/Mon Apr 23 18:34:59 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 1562 I wonder, if this study was to be repeated today, would there be a difference in the word count currently seen as opposed to what was seen in 1984? Certainly word use changes with time, but given the supposed 'dumbing-down' of various aspects of the educational system, would that be apparent in a word count such as Nagy & Anderson did? I was glad to see that they at least considered vocabulary learned verbally rather than in reading - although it may not be a significant help by the beginning of school, this is obviously how the most basic vocabulary is initially learned for most people. They also heavily considered the idea of word families, which is something that has occurred to me as an interesting concept for computer CVA. Being able to at least consider the possibility that a word has a meaning similar to another known word based on an apparent shared root would be a powerful tool. In most languages, not least English, there are any number of false connections to be made here, but certainly for humans this is a major consideration in coming up with an initial idea of a new word's meaning. Finally, the idea of motivation being a powerful force for vocabulary acquisition certainly hit home for me, since I have a daughter who is just at the very beginning stages of reading - she's only learning letters at this point, but providing a motivation in the form of small rewards is a *huge* factor in keeping her interest for extended periods. (Extended periods for a 2-year old being anything over a few minutes.) From owner-cse727-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Tue Apr 24 10:49:02 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3OEn2Es003915 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front1.acsu.buffalo.edu (coldfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.89]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3OEn0Lj086616 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20068 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 14:49:00 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 14:49:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 18598 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 14:48:59 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 14:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15546 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 14:48:57 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 14:48:57 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4990010 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:48:57 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 5151 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 14:48:51 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 14:48:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 1242 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 14:48:50 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.14) by smtp3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 14:48:50 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3OEmnV8003893 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l3OEmnTW003892 for CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:48:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <200704241448.l3OEmnTW003892@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:48:49 -0400 Reply-To: "William J. Rapaport" Sender: "CVA Seminar, Spring 2007" From: "William J. Rapaport" Subject: Re: CSE 727: Nagy & Anderson (1984) To: CSE727-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3155/Tue Apr 24 09:27:10 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 1407 Jeff wrote: | | They also heavily considered the idea of word families, which is | something that has occurred to me as an interesting concept for computer | CVA. Being able to at least consider the possibility that a word has a | meaning similar to another known word based on an apparent shared root | would be a powerful tool. This is the whole issue of what Sternberg calls "internal context". I haven't done anything with it, and it remains a viable, open research project for us, but note that it can "easily" be handled by our prior-knowledge techniques, because, after all, one's knowledge of morphology and etymology counts as prior knowledge. | Finally, the idea of motivation being a powerful force for vocabulary | acquisition certainly hit home for me, since I have a daughter who is | just at the very beginning stages of reading - she's only learning | letters at this point, but providing a motivation in the form of small | rewards is a *huge* factor in keeping her interest for extended | periods. Given that opening, I have to put in a few words for the importance of reading to children, even as young as, say, 6-9 months old. For the strongest arguments in favor of this, see: Fox, Mem (2001), Reading Magic: Why Reading Aloud to Our Children Will Change Their Lives Forever (Harvest Books) Trelease, Jim (2006), The Read-Aloud Handbook, 6th Edition (Penguin Books)